Jiva
I was going to suggest such an action. Even if by chance someone is
using the theater, you will always be able to find another room. I
would be there to help out if I could but I have a previous
engagement.
Phil
On Dec 29, 10:16 am, Jiva DeVoe <jiva-li...@devoesquared.com> wrote:
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> That would be awesome, thanks! Yes, it's currently scheduled for January 4th.
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> Truth be known, I'm of the mind that UAT is so loosely scheduled that even if we didn't hear from them, I was gonna just show up and see if they kick us out. ;) I bet they wouldn't.
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> On Dec 29, 2011, at 7:48 AM, philh wrote:
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> > I work at UAT and I can tell you the school is pretty much closed for
> > the vacation period. I will follow up early next week to determine the
> > status and I'll let you know what I find out. I take it the meeting is
> > scheduled for January 4th?
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> > Phil Hartley
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> > On Dec 28, 11:19 am, Jiva DeVoe <jiva-li...@devoesquared.com> wrote:
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> >> I don't really know how you could so totally misinterpret everything I said in my email to mean "effectively ending Pi as we've known it." That is absolutely not what I said.
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> >> In fact, when Matthew and I discussed it, we arrived at the conclusion that: 1. Pi has a higher attendance rate than CocoaHeads; 2. It has a bigger mailing list. 3. The UAT space is better than where CocoaHeads-Phoenix meets; and 4. All of the above means that if possible, change as little as we can about Pi.
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> >> To be fair, CocoaHeads-Phoenix has it's share of value as well. Not the least of which is the expertise of it's membership, which, although smaller than Pi, has much better technical expertise and so is a valuable, untapped asset in Phoenix. By merging the groups, I hope to bring that expertise to Pi so that I am not the only one presenting.
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> >> I'll respond to some of the points below specifically, although I'd like to take this off-list after this just to avoid misinformation being spread. Thanks.
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> >> That said, rest assured, Pi is not ending. It's growing.
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> >> On Dec 28, 2011, at 12:17 AM, Brad O'Hearne wrote:
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> >>> - What is the difference between the "merge" as described and just killing Pi? Pragmatically, the two sound the same. The aftermath doesn't seem to be preserving anything about Pi, but rather it seems to be one meeting with CocoaHeads content. Other than calling it "Pi" (if even that survives), what makes the aftermath Pi?
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> >> No, it doesn't sound like killing Pi at all. Pi will still have mostly the same content and format, and if possible, will even continue the same meeting location and time. The fact is, Pi has always had overlap with CocoaHeads, you just never attended the CocoaHeads meetings to find out. ;) The biggest challenge that I have had, as a presenter to both groups, is coming up with different presentations each month since there's so much overlap and I didn't want to bore people at either group.
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> >>> - If one of the problems of Pi is that it is a lot of work for one person, how does having one person run not only Pi, but CocoaHeads as well solves the problem of workload? That seems to compound the problem, if indeed there is supposed to be any kind of dual personality/identity to the group.
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> >> Because, as the main presenter at both groups, currently I have 2 wednesdays a month eaten up, as well as the time required for preparing presentations for both meetings every month. By combining the groups, it will be less of a strain on my time. Additionally, by bringing the people with the greater expertise (and thus better presentations) to Pi from CocoaHeads, I'll (hopefully) get some help with presenting. (Lookin at you Brad M, Brian, Joe, and friends... ;)) As it was headed in 2011, I was having to bow out of presenting at Pi altogether due to time commitments. Now, I and others can commit to presenting at Pi-CocoaHeads since it will just be one meeting. Yay!
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> >>> - UAT was central and one of the easier parts of the equation while I lead -- perhaps that's changed. Sky Song seems pretty central too, but if meetings move farther north in Scottsdale, out of general central proximity in the Phoenix area into a corner of the map, I think there's a good chance of losing attendance.
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> >> UAT is an awesome meeting space, when we can get it. Sadly, there've been numerous cases where they have changed the space without telling us. Additionally, UAT itself has *not* confirmed that we have the room for 2012. This is a HUGE problem, considering our meeting is next week. I'd love to get some confirmation from UAT that we have the room. If you have a contact person there, I'd appreciate it if you'd forward me their info.
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> >> Sky Song is virtually identical in terms of location. The rooms there are excellent and well maintained, but there are some logistical problems in terms of quantity of seats and late night access. It's better than nowhere though, which, if UAT falls through, is where we'll be.
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> >> No one said anything about north Scottsdale. At this time, only UAT and Sky Song are in the running for locations.
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> >>> - Getting presenters is always a challenge. But one of the things Pi did have for a good stretch was a lot of new blood, volunteers, and good attendance. There were reasons for that -- and it is a lengthy topic I won't go into in full here. I kind of think the solution to getting volunteers is doing the things which encourage more people to present, not making drastic changes to (or ending outright) the group so that one person can carry the presenting schedule.
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> >> Again, Pi is not ending, and there are no drastic changes planned that are not forced upon us by facilities (ie: UAT etc). I would hope I won't be the only presenter going forward. My plan is definitely to delegate and bring on more presenters as I said here and in my previous post.
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